Product Managers28mo
by JazzyBobaZomato
Product
Guys any idea why product management interns are paid low as compared to the Full time. While they're having high impact then their swe intern counter parts and more rigorous hiring cycle
SquishyTaco
Why are project managers paid less?
I am honestly just furious at the pay difference between the salary of an sde and a pm. Both work just as hard.
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SquishyQuokka
Gojek26mo
I could teach a 12th standard kid, how to do project management. Don’t need some Lean Six Sigma or Black Belt/Yellow belt thing 😂😂
Look at the relative difficulty, also look at the difference in the value created by the 99th percentile SDE v/s the 99th percentile Project Manager.
I can assure you 99th percentile SDE brings in more than 10x 💵 than the 99th percentile Project Manager.
Also, Project Managers are not PMs. Product Managers are.
SquishyCupcake
Amazon26mo
the real question is why do they get paid at all...
SquishyTaco
Zeta26mo
What?
SquishyCupcake
Amazon26mo
the concept of purely a management role is outdated. In this day and age tech staff is growing to be more and more self governing ...
The larger the hierarchy of PMs in the org, the more useless they become in their actuality... I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but that's what I've seen in my half a decade of exp. ... I would however love to hear a counter argument purely based on logic and devoid of personal bias.
SleepyMochi
Stealth26mo
Both PMs ( product and project ) are lazy unneeded bums for the most part. There’s a reason engineers don’t like them.
DerpySushi
Stealth26mo
Haha true, maybe you don't need a Product manager, sure. But I'm sorry to say, engineers are shit empaths. And it's not your fault either, you're not best placed in the decision tree to realise the need.
SquishyTaco
Zeta26mo
If you didn’t have Project and Program guys, the engineers would just get into a loop of feature dev and nothing would ever get shipped. Sorry but I’ve seen it happen.
MagicalMarshmallow
JP Morgan26mo
The self entitled attitude and the bubble sde s in this platform are at is at another level. 99th percentile is a very bad metric to compare. What does an average SDE bring to the table? There are many smarter ppl in finance and consulting compared to you guys in tech!
DerpySushi
Stealth26mo
Hmm. Looks like you're yet to learn the concept of supply demand xD
SquishyTaco
Zeta26mo
No i do get it. But as a general trend I have seen SDEs and tech roles always get paid more than non tech roles.
BouncyUnicorn
Student25mo
They do the real thing. Non tech roles are there to assist them with their work.
BubblyMuffin
Amazon26mo
Cope harder 💀
ZoomyPickle
Nagarro26mo
Supply Demand economics. There is plethora of people wanting to be PMs.
CosmicTaco
ION Group26mo
It used to be the other way around some time ago. Supply demand
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