SparklyNarwhal
SparklyNarwhal

We are replaceable in corporate, but putting our ass in work

It might not be you, but I see most of us (Indian) are kind of attached to work and give it too much priority.

And so many layoffs news and here folks posting and their hard work sacrificing their personal time but nothing helped them getting replaced.

I see US/European employees better in this regard, few examples

  • They do not reply after post work
  • Don't accept meetings after work
  • They take leave as their right, even on deadline if they have planned leave they will take it ......

PS: I am not saying it's bad, I think it's good

But for me, I get chills for not replying to their messages and work like most Indians work

How can I be more detached or confident in working

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SwirlyBagel
SwirlyBagel

Jabh tak "desi manager" zinda rahega, yeh toxic culture chalta rahega.

SparklyNarwhal
SparklyNarwhal

🥲

GroovyMarshmallow
GroovyMarshmallow

I have done this now. I don't work on indian holidays and if something urgent and i work, i take the next client holiday or whichever day is feasible, whichever is earlier. And i make sure that my team take the Indian holiday itself. If i work a day late due to urgent work, i start the next day late and same for my team. This isn't exactly european style but i feel a way in middle.

PrancingHamster
PrancingHamster
HCL15d

GenZ will solve this toxic work culture in india. Especially the managers from the south are more toxic than the plutonium radiation. Inko bolo client ke aage mujra karne ko ye karenge.

DizzyMarshmallow
DizzyMarshmallow

Few managers from the east are also in the same boat

FluffyKoala
FluffyKoala

Agreed 😅😂

PeppyDonut
PeppyDonut

Because we have never learnt how to hunt for ourselves. We are so used to being fed by others that the idea of losing that security makes us insecure.

SparklyWalrus
SparklyWalrus
TCS15d

True, Guys please note "Job is not your identity" . Your identity is the value system and what you stand for. Job is what you DO.

SparklyNarwhal
SparklyNarwhal

It's true, I have that fear of losing job/security
Can't overcome it 😞

SillyQuokka
SillyQuokka
Dell15d

Develop an alternate source of income... Money gives you freedom, gives you confidence, you stop giving shit about nonsense.

No other psychological trick is going to help you.

PeppyPretzel
PeppyPretzel

I fully agree, what other alternative sources of income do you have ?

SillyQuokka
SillyQuokka
Dell13d

Rentals, small cafe

QuirkyMarshmallow
QuirkyMarshmallow

I think - be attached to your work, but always be on the lookout for signals in the company. If you have not been assigned work for long, if colleagues start behaving mysteriously, manager is not attending 1-1s etc.

If u suspect and proactively start switching process, layoffs are actually good salary boosting opportunity.

In short avoid complacency..

TwirlyRaccoon
TwirlyRaccoon
Gif
DizzyBurrito
DizzyBurrito
KPMG15d

Well, that's been happening to me for the past 1 year since I joined from college 😂

I don't know what normal feels like in corporate

PeppyNugget
PeppyNugget

Main problem is we are poor, we hesitate to say NO We are not united

SwirlyBiscuit
SwirlyBiscuit

Can't agree more for many of we are 1st generation working for mnc and earing well which was not the case with our parents. They had to struggle a lot to make a decent living may be indirectly that is subconscious acting for many of us till today. I am confident as well genz will change this culture

PeppyNugget
PeppyNugget

We are not limited to India even outside india we see Indians fighting with each other or doing politics

GigglyLlama
GigglyLlama

Bhai, desh koi ethics hain nahi, managerial ethics toh bhul hi jao.

99% of Indian managers should have never been allowed to become a manager. They play "me-first" game. They maintain a power distance, always speak to you with suspicion in the air as if you are playing gilli-danda all day instead of working. There are some managers (especially found in sales), who no matter what you achieve, they'll say oh big deal. Deep down they know you achieved something, but the moment you manage to reach a stretch goal, they shift the goal post. The aim of every Indian deep down is to acquire power and once in a position of power, assert it just for the sake of it. Instead of levelling with a subordinate, treating that person like a living, breathing, feeling person, they'll treat them as a slave. What can employees do but to adapt to it? They'll have to take calls or meetings after regular work hours. They'll have to report to office even if their mother is in ICU. But the same employee who acutely feels the injustice of it all becomes a manager and turns into an asshole. Indians do not get the most elementary principle: treat others the way you want to be treated. I'm sure every manager in their hearts know what it is to be treated wrongly, and would not want to be treated wrongly by their own manager, but that does not prevent them from mistreating their own subordinates. Most Indian managers are petty bureaucrats, glorified paper pushers who think neither of customer value, shareholder value, company benefit, employee welfare -- all they of themselves, their career growth, their optics, their promotion. They don't give a damn of how you get results, all they want is numbers that look good in a mail or PPT. They'll never get involved with you in the details of the work, because they can have the deniability of putting all the blame on you if the project doesn't work out. If they're involved in the details, how can they act surprised and blame you for it all? But some are even shameless to do even that. At the end of the day, kyunki manager bhi kabhi employee tha, can't blame the manager alone -- we are all like this at the end of the day, and it won't change till we develop a sense of ethics. We won't cause we refuse to reflect. We are so defensive and have deep psychological resistance to concede or admit flaws. Hence, we never change. So, you got 2 options: change your passport or turn into a stone.

SparklyLlama
SparklyLlama

To tackle this, we need to understand where we come from. First, we live in a country with a massive population which creates an abundant workforce. So, let's compare two people, one who is strict with his work and basically follows the European model of work, and another follows the Indian model of work. As a business, I would be very happy if there's someone available most of the time and replies to my messages anytime. If he doesn't, I, as a business, have an upper hand to hire someone else, who would definitely do this. But, businesses in Europe don't have the same luxury. They are just short on people. Hiring people from another country is also a hassle for them because of legal paperwork. So, now you know the root problem, until that fixes, nothing else will be fixed.

Do you think some of the other root problems may contribute to such cultures?

SparklyNarwhal
SparklyNarwhal

Total different perspectives, but very valid point

But still I think business needs to be more respectful

Also another problem is it's not always business it's people like managers, team lead, peers who kind of create this environment

ZestyHamster
ZestyHamster
PWC15d

Agree with all your points, Also most European countries are rich, they have ways to take care of their citizens who are jobless

SqueakyQuokka
SqueakyQuokka

EU folks have social security - even if they get fired, they wouldn't struggle to survive.

India doesn't have social security and has intense competition for the limited spots to fill. If you don't do it, someone else will.

It's a demand-supply thing. When a resource is high in supply it gets commoditised and is easily replaceable. This applies to talent (human resource) too.

PeppyPretzel
PeppyPretzel

I agree, we need things like electricity and cooking gas subsidies. Affordable schools are are also essential.

WobblyBagel
WobblyBagel

I can relate to this I am so attached to work 😭 even if someone else is leaving the project I get sad ....

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